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Let's start with something a lot of people have told us we'll also go even further back in just a moment but just to get our kind of go through the gears one time let's talk a little bit about Ukraine and and his a lot of people say this was a road test for Putin there were lots of other reasons why he was did what he did in Crimea and Ukraine across the hybrid war scheme what did you see was happening there from your perspective well I think it really reflected mr. Putin's interested in trying to correct a historical wrong in his mind as far as Russia giving up a part of of the what Putin gets through the motherland that he wanted to reclaim the the place where the Russian Orthodox Church was was born and he never felt as though Ukraine and Crimea should have left the the Russian even earlier the Soviet orbit and so therefore I think mr. Putin wanted to to stop also what he thought was a an Eastern March on the part of the the Western powers NATO EU and so therefore I think he he felt as though he he needed to act because he tends to see things in zero sum that fashion and therefore I also believe he felt that he could do this with relative impunity in terms of not having a military response from the west of the United States and therefore the move was was quick but also I think I reflected I brought our strategic interest in the part of mr. Putin to secure his near abroad as it said and do it in a way that I think he felt confident was not going to beget a you know Western military reaction when you look back on it from our vantage point now watching when thinking about what happened in the summer of 2022 in the fall there are also all kinds of tactical things he does they do that resonate a lot of fake news a lot of information war a lot of lying about things that happened from your perch at the CIA what were you what were you watching and what were you learning or what felt new or you know what I mean well mr. Putin is a a creature of his his past and of his intelligence experience and I do believe that he he sees and at that time saw the Russian intelligence services as being a tremendous instrument of influence so that he could do things insidiously within countries such as Ukraine Georgia even inside of Europe that he could try to exploit situations that was going to advantage Russia so when we were getting closer to the 2022 presidential election I think some of the things that we were seeing early on were just symptoms and indicators of the Russia's interest in trying to manipulate foreign events to Russia's advantage and therefore any type of political process or election I think mr. Putin sees as ripe for Russian intelligence service engagement and also there's a fair amount of I think competition among Russian intelligence services they try to please the boss and they they do things both in terms of collecting information as well as their active measures whether it be propaganda or even getting people to get on the Russian payroll so I think certainly CIA and intelligence professionals had a good understanding about mr. Putin's overarching strategic objectives what he was trying to accomplish and therefore I think we had our antenna up looking for signs that mr. Putin was pursuing these objectives whether it be in the near abroad whether it be in Western Europe or whether it be here in the United States so in things like sending in uniformed soldiers with no insignia on the uniforms what did you make of that well in some respects he does things surreptitiously with his insoles and services but also I think he likes to try to intimidate his foes and so it was no secret to people that individuals with military uniforms with no insignia is who happened to show up in the eastern part of Ukraine fighting against the government forces there was no doubt in anyone's mind where they came from and that they were sent there by mr. Putin I think it was mr. Putin's way to again try to bully others and to show that Russia is is there and is going to use its influence as well as its capabilities and its power to achieve its objectives there were many arguments inside the United States government about lethal arming the Ukrainian forces what did you believe maybe you can't say what you advise the president but the idea that we should we should push back at him we should in some way let him know he's not going to get away with this more robustly than we did mr. Putin is I think a very cunning individual and he really takes the measure of his adversaries and opponents and when he moved into Ukraine I do believe he felt as though if he if he did it with great emphasis and and force that it was not going to engender a military response on the part of the West and I do think he felt that certainly toward the the last four years of the Obama administration that there was a predictability as far as Washington's reaction and I think he recognized that President Obama was reluctant to to engage in military conflicts and therefore would use other instruments of us power sanctions for example but I do think mr. Putin's decisions to move into Ukraine his decision to move into Syria with military forces was based on the premise that there was not going to be a symmetric Western military response I I felt as though in some instances we should have made.

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