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Is diabetes an incurable disease? Type 2 diabetes should it get worse all the time as it usually does or is that simply that the course we're treating it totally wrong, or not even treating it at all? That's what I'm going to talk about with my guests today. I'm not dressing fit from diet doctor for Carmen. I'm here with Dr. Jason Tania, neurologist from Canada. Welcome, thanks very much. So I just watched a presentation by you, I thought it was really fantastic. It was about how we treat diabetics today in a medical system, and you're a nephrologist. You meet diabetics when they've had issues for a long time and they're really sick, right? Yeah, so I treat people on dialysis, that's a lot of what I do. And it's very disheartening too because what happens is that when they develop their disease, they are so sick. But the diabetes itself is actually quite reversible, and that's one of the things that I realized a short while ago. And that's what needs to be understood, is that this is not a disease that needs to progress, but we often tell people so that it's a chronic progressive disease. And that's not simply me talking, but if you go to the Diabetes Association's, whether it's the American Diabetes Association or the diabetes Australia, they all put out there that this is a chronic disease and they tell people essentially that you have diabetes, you'll have it for the rest of your life, you might as well get used to it. But the problem is that's simply not true and it's actually pretty easy to prove it because if somebody came up to me and said, "I've had diabetes, I was told I had diabetes, I watched my diet,...